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Posted: 29 May 2006 at 6:58pm | IP Logged Quote jerryk

Hello Brothers & Sisters in Christ,

This was posted in an email to me an I thought it would be appropriate to post it here to share with those who might be questioning the same: Faith alone versus faith and works.

My remarks regarding this topic is in the next trend.

In Christ name,

Brother Kirkpatrick

 

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Hello Friend, I read through this article on your website and have placed my 

        comments in red below your statements. I'm not out to ridicule you,

        I just wanted to make some needed clarifications.

 

 


John 3:16 and Salvation:
Faith Only or Obedient Faith?


Have you ever heard someone say, "John 3:16 tells us everything we need to know about salvation"? This verse says, "God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." This verse is true in everything it says. - This verse is absolutely true. Whosoever BELIEVETH - (trusts, relies) in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. *It's BELIEF (apart from additions or modifications) that brings eternal life, not BELIEF plus some additional obedience. You are teaching salvation through BELIEVING plus works *Obedience may be the fruit of saving faith, but it's the faith (belief, trust, reliance) part of the equation that alone saves as the instrumental means, not the obedience (works) that follow faith. Faith may result in many things, but it is terribly wrong to then make these things (fruit) the requirements of salvation. You are putting the cart before the horse and teaching a sugar coated "works based" false gospel.

Folks who say that John 3:16 is all you need to be saved, however, are really saying that all you have to do to be saved is to just believe on Jesus. They conclude that obedience, especially baptism, is not necessary to salvation. This is the doctrine of "salvation by faith only." But is this doctrinal really what the Bible teaches? - John 3:16 clearly states that all you have to do to be saved is BELIEVE (trust, rely) on Jesus. Obedience, especially baptism, is only the demonstrative evidence of our faith, not the instrumental means of our salvation. John 3:16 does not teach what James 2:24 calls, "faith only." *When you hear a genuine believer say that we are saved by "faith alone," they are not saying that we are saved by the kind of faith that is alone and does not results in some kind of good works. They're saying that we are saved by faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ alone. The only thing that's "alone" about saving faith is the object of our faith and that is Christ alone. Works follow saving faith, but they are only the fruit or demonstrative evidence of our faith, not the faith itself. Faith is the instrumental means of receiving eternal life. We are saved at the moment we trust Christ alone for salvation, before any further commands of God are accomplished. "Mental assent" faith plus a "check list" of works done in the flesh (your faith) is not saving faith. We are saved by faith (belief, trust, reliance) in Christ alone, but this kind of faith is not alone. Simple!

Acts 3:22,23 refers to Jesus as a prophet saying: "...Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people." Now this says that we must pay attention to everything Jesus says, yet the Bible says much more about salvation than just John 3:16. How then can John 3:16 be "all we need"? If we need just one verse, why did God give the rest of the Bible? To take only part of what God teaches about a subject, while ignoring other inspired teaching, is to endanger our souls. - John 3:16 is a complete statement, not some partial truth that has to be "patched together" with other misinterpreted verses, taken out of context and then fit into a jig saw puzzle. That is flawed hermeneutics. Acts 3:22,23 does not teach salvation through BELIEVING plus paying attention to everything Jesus says. Your 5 step of salvation just grew to 6 steps. Hearing Jesus in all things represents acceptance of Him as the Messiah. Refusing to hear Him represents rejecting the Messiah. Taking a complete statement of what God teaches about salvation and making it a partial truth, while misinterpreting other inspired teaching and then "patching it together" with John 3:16 and adding "works" to BELIEVING is to endanger your soul.

In Mark 16:15,16 Jesus told His disciples to teach everyone that, "He who believes and is baptized will be saved..." According to Jesus, both faith and baptism are essential in order for one to be saved. Mark 16:16- He that believes and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believes not shall be damned. *You will notice that while Mark 16:16 speaks of one who believes and is baptized and of one who believes not, it does not have anything to say about the person who believes but has not as yet been baptized. Can we find the answer to the condition of such a person? Yes, in John 3:18- He that believes on Him (Christ) is not condemned, but he that believes not is condemned already...Also in John 3:36- He that believes on the Son has everlasting life, but he that believes not the Son shall not see life...Where is baptism mentioned in these two verses if it's absolutely necessary for salvation? Now in describing the believer, you can add baptism, prayer, church membership, the Lord's Supper, or any other good work; so long as you are speaking of one who truly trusts Christ as Savior, you can most certainly say of him, "he shall be saved." Surely if he that believes is not condemned, then he that believes and is baptized shall be eternally saved as well! *If water baptism is necessary for salvation, then why did Jesus himself not mention it in the following verses? -(John 3:15-18,36; 5:24; 6:40,47). *Hermeneutics. What is the one condition that Jesus mentioned in each of these complete statements? In Mark 16:16 the word "believe" is an aorist participle referring to one who has believed at some time in the past.  Also, baptistheis, translated "is baptized" is an aorist participle but in the passive voice.  This form referees to an act of outward obedience, in this case, baptism. Therefore the correct translation here should be stated, "He who believed and who was baptized shall be saved."  However the Lord clarifies the statement by adding, "but he who has not believed shall be condemned."  Therefore, the context in the verse itself, makes clear that baptism is not included in salvation by simple omission.  In no way does this verse establish baptism as a condition for salvation; it is merely the declaration that those who believe and are baptized shall be saved.  ***Praise God!

John 3:16 truly teaches us that faith is essential. But when we learn "all things" that Jesus taught, we understand that we have a saving faith only when our faith leads us to be baptized for the purpose of having our sins forgiven (Acts 2:38; 22:16). - Saving faith is a complete trust in the sacrifice and resurrection of Christ as the only means of salvation. Saving faith may lead you to get baptized, but faith in of itself is not baptism. It's belief, trust, reliance in Christ alone for salvation. This belief should result in actions (works) appropriate to the belief, but the actions are not inherent in the belief. We have a saving faith only when our faith TRUSTS IN CHRIST ALONE FOR SALVATION. ***Baptism is only a symbol of salvation in that it depicts Christ's death, burial and resurrection and our identification with Him in these experiences. *Your misinterpretations cause you to confuse the evidence of faith with the ESSENCE of faith.

In Acts 2:38- Repentance is a "change of mind" and the context reveals what is involved in this "change of mind." This change of mind is about Jesus Christ and the new direction of that change of mind is faith in Christ. There is nothing in the text that compels us to see baptism as the instrumental cause. Why not take repentance as the means of receiving forgiveness, and baptism as the sign of true repentance and forgiveness? Repent and be baptized for - (eis) "because of," "with reference to," the sins that were remitted when you repented. Indeed, a short time later the apostle Peter promised forgiveness on the basis of repentance without even mentioning baptism. (Acts 3:19 – Repent, therefore, and be converted, (as a result of repentance) that your sins may be blotted out). Faith in the Messiah (implied in genuine repentance), rather than baptism, receives God's gracious pardon. Repentance (in regards to salvation) is not a totally separate act from faith. It is actually the same coin with two sides. Repentance is on one side, what you turn away from, and faith is on the positive side, what you turn to. *Repentance and faith are two sides of the same experience of being brought to Christ. In Acts 10:43, Peter also mentions that "whosoever believes in Him shall receive remission of sins. *Where's baptism? You have to "shoe horn" it in.  ***In Acts 2:38, what is baptism's reference to remission? Or, in what sense does baptism remit sin? Water baptism only does it in a formal sense. It manifests in ceremony that which really does procure salvation (The blood of Christ Eph. 1:7; Col. 1:14). It declares by a means of physical likeness that which redeems. It is the visible likeness (Rom. 6:5) of the actual work of Christ, just as a photograph is the pictorial likeness of some individual, not the actual person.

 Acts 22:16- Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord. Of course you contend that our sins our literally washed away in baptism. From the English rendering, admittedly on the surface it looks as though water baptism washes away sins. However, the English here does not represent the Greek syntax at this point. First, in most English translations, there are two conjunctions (kai [“and”]), but not in the Greek, for there is only one conjunction: anastas baptisai kai apolousai tas hamartias sou, epikalesamenos to onoma autou (lit. “Rising up be baptized, and [kai] wash away the sins of thee invoking the name of Him”). Hence, one conjunction does not indicate two separate clauses being communicated here, but one. Second, the two imperative verbs baptisei (“be baptized”) and apolousai (“wash away”) are in the middle voice. Hence, grammatically a literal reading would be: “Rise, have yourself baptized and allow your sins to be washed away, invoking the name of Him.” The grammatical connection to “washing away your sins” then, is not being water baptized, but rather with the calling on or invoking the name of the Lord (cf. Acts 2:21 and Rom. 10:13). *To call upon the nameof the Lord is a heart felt acknowledgment that a person is appealing to the Lord to save them from their sins and recognizing that they cannot save themselves and thus they are relying wholly on the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation. God “is rich to all who call upon Him. For whoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on Him whom they have not believed?”  (Romans 10:12-14). In other words, their faith (manifest in the culmination of their call for mercy) results in salvation. Baptism does not repeat what is already achieved through faith. *Prior to this statement in Acts 22:16 made by Ananias to Paul, what was Paul's condition? Was he saved?:

He had repented;  Acts 9:6- "Lord, what do you want me to do?" Repentance means a "change of mind." Paul once despised Christ; now because of this vision, he has "changed his mind" is now a believer and as a result, is ready to serve Him. 

He had believed;  he had Christ as his Lord;  Acts 9:6- The Bible tells us that "no one can say that Jesus is Lord, except by the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3). We receive the Holy Spirit after we believe (John 7:38,39; Acts 11:17; Gal. 3:2,14; Eph. 1:13).

He prayed;  Acts 9:11- "For behold, he is praying," the Lord said to Ananias. This shows

that Paul's praying was pleasing to God. The church of Christ does not believe that God

hears an unsaved man's prayer, quoting in this regard John 9:31- " Now we know that God

does not hear sinners; but if anyone is a worshipper of God and does His will, He hears him.

Well, Paul was a worshipper of God, calling Christ "Lord" and then doing His will.

 

He was a brother to Ananias;  Acts 9:17- "Brother Saul" were the words of Ananais to Paul.

You can try and argue that this was only "customary" for one Jew to speak to another and

Ananais did not mean to call Paul a brother in Christ. However, in light of the text in which

this expression is found, Paul was a brother in Christ, knowing Christ as his Lord, the same

Lord of Ananias. All of these things characterized Paul before he was baptized. So Paul was

definitely accepted before he was baptized. Actually, he was baptized because he was already

accepted. Now how did baptism "wash away" Paul's sins? Well, it couldn't do this literally, for

Christ literally "put away sin by the sacrifice of himself"- (Heb. 9:26). The language found in

Acts 22:16 in regards to water baptism, is similar to the statement of Christ when He took the

bread and said, "This is my body." The bread was only the emblem of His body. Baptism is the

emblem of the washing away of sins by the death of Christ. Every time a believer is baptized

he washes away his sins in the same sense Paul did; not literally, but ceremonially, pointing

to the death of Christ by which sins are actually washed away.

     

                Well friend,

It's been my pleasure to share the truth with you about saving faith. I just hope and pray that your heart is opened enough to accept the truth and

come to saving faith (belief, trust, reliance) in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the only procuring means of salvation.

How we underst and the essence of saving faith vs. the evidence of saving faith will determine how we interpret the rest of scripture and where we will     spend eternity.

                                                                                          

Continue to seek the truth and God Bless,

                                                                                                                                                                                           

In Truth and in Love, 

 

mailmandan



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Posted: 29 May 2006 at 7:42pm | IP Logged Quote jerryk

My Beliefs regarding this

I do not believe this is what is being said.  I respect your opinion but trust in the word of GOD.  The bible clearly states faith without works is dead. James 2:20 (KJV) But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?  James 2:26 (KJV)  For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Did it say Christ’s work?  Christ already performed the works of the Father (He loved, He taught GOD, he resurrected Lazarus, he gave his life).  True we cannot be Christ, but we can be “Christ like” based on his teaching and our faith in him to deliver us.

The relationship between faith and works: Scripture repeatedly affirms that salvation is the free gift of God appropriated through faith (Ephes. 2:8-9; Romans 3:28). No individual merits salvation by fulfillment of God’s law (Romans 3:20).

Saving faith is, however, obedient faith (Romans 1:5; Romans 16:26; 1 Peter 1:2). We are saved for good works (Ephes. 2:10). Faith that does not result in acts of Christian love is not salvific but demonic (James 2:14-26, especially James 2:19).

The perseverance of the saints: Assurance of salvation is grounded in confidence that God is able to finish the good work begun in us (Phil. 1:6), that God who sacrificed His Son for sinners (Romans 5:8-9) will not hold back anything necessary to save one of his children (Romans 8:32), and that nothing can separate us from God’s love in Christ (Romans 8:35-39).

Confidence in God’s ability to keep those who have entrusted their lives to Christ is not, however, an excuse for any believer’s inactivity or moral failure (Romans 6:12-13; Ephes. 2:10).

Even if you do not believe obedience is a work, then Adam & Eve should still be in Eden!  Yet it was their disobedience that plumped them out of Eden and entered mankind to the state we are in today.  Two types of works... Gods way or Satan's.

Let's go on to see what even Abraham did: 

Hebrews 11:8 (KJV)  

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

James 2:21-23 (KJV)  
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? [22] Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? [23] And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Belief is a work too!  How can anyone trust and obey if they know not what they believe in?  Can a General command an army if those who serve do not believe in his ability to lead?

Remeber the Ethopian Eunich?  He stated:  "How can one understand unless he is taught?  After Philip taught him, he stated:  There is water, what henders me from being baptised?  Acts 8:25-39

All  of us who believe in Christ as our Lord and Savior must put on faith and carry out the works of the Holy Spirit as commanded in Acts 28:18-20

The Plan of Salvation is this:

HEAR The Gospel - Rom 10:17, Acts 15:1-7, Gal 3:2, Acts 16:30-33

Believe in the Gospel - Acts 10:43, Acts 16:30-33, John 3:15, Mark 1:15,

Repent of your Sins - Mark 1:15, Mark 6:12, 2 Peter 3:9, Luke 13:3, Acts 3:19

Confess Christ as your Lord and Savior - Matt 10:32, Rom 10:9-10, Phil 2:11

Become Baptized - Rom 6:3, Gal 3:26, Col 2:12, Matt 28:19-20, Acts 2:38

I wish all I had to do is believe and believe alone.  Yet this is not remotely possible.  If so, we need not do anything at all but stay at home and wait on him.  I wonder what Christ would say about that to those who think and act in such a way when he returns?



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